Is that guy saying the higher taxes is a worse trade off?
Like, with all the extra you pay in insurance and then on the medical care itself, hes ok with that as long as the government don't get taxes?
I mean. Shit, I moved from the UK to Switzerland and I absolutely miss the NHS. Private healthcare here is like £300 a month and then a huge franchise, plus extra costs... Tax may be 16% points lower, but spending on healthcare closes that gap considerably and, for the first time in my life, I have had to consider money over health.. how is this a better system lol
The hilarious and depressing point that the original thread misses is that the US actually spends more public money per capita on healthcare than the UK, France, Germany, Sweden etc. All that money just for Medicare and Medicaid. And that's before your private insurance premium ($6,690 was the 2017 nationwide average for an individual plan purchased through an employer). The inefficiency in the US healthcare system is mind-boggling.
*edit 2: A lot of people are conflating overall health costs and pharmaceutical spending. Currently pharmaceutical spending is about 10% of US national health expenditure. Even a huge cut to our prescription drug spending would make a tiny dent in our overall healthcare costs. It's not quite as big an issue as the debate around it would lead you to believe.
It's funny, I always tell people "University is free in my country" and americans always response with "you pay taxes"...
Well so do you. Turns out I currently pay the exact same tax rates as americans, only the tax rate limit is far higher in Germany for richer people. So we pay the same taxes but I got University, health care, public transportation (certain types) etc, and you pay the same and get shit.
Huwbacca on April 17th, 2018 at 06:53 UTC »
Wait a second...
Is that guy saying the higher taxes is a worse trade off?
Like, with all the extra you pay in insurance and then on the medical care itself, hes ok with that as long as the government don't get taxes?
I mean. Shit, I moved from the UK to Switzerland and I absolutely miss the NHS. Private healthcare here is like £300 a month and then a huge franchise, plus extra costs... Tax may be 16% points lower, but spending on healthcare closes that gap considerably and, for the first time in my life, I have had to consider money over health.. how is this a better system lol
AKATonyStarks on April 17th, 2018 at 07:09 UTC »
The hilarious and depressing point that the original thread misses is that the US actually spends more public money per capita on healthcare than the UK, France, Germany, Sweden etc. All that money just for Medicare and Medicaid. And that's before your private insurance premium ($6,690 was the 2017 nationwide average for an individual plan purchased through an employer). The inefficiency in the US healthcare system is mind-boggling.
*edit. Sources:
https://www.kff.org/report-section/ehbs-2017-section-1-cost-of-health-insurance/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-spends-more-public-money-on-healthcare-than-sweden-or-canada-2017-4
*edit 2: A lot of people are conflating overall health costs and pharmaceutical spending. Currently pharmaceutical spending is about 10% of US national health expenditure. Even a huge cut to our prescription drug spending would make a tiny dent in our overall healthcare costs. It's not quite as big an issue as the debate around it would lead you to believe.
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/highlights.pdf
VeryWeirdPerson on April 17th, 2018 at 07:18 UTC »
It's funny, I always tell people "University is free in my country" and americans always response with "you pay taxes"...
Well so do you. Turns out I currently pay the exact same tax rates as americans, only the tax rate limit is far higher in Germany for richer people. So we pay the same taxes but I got University, health care, public transportation (certain types) etc, and you pay the same and get shit.