China to Donald Trump: Your North Korea speech was really unhelpful

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“Trump’s political chest-thumping is unhelpful, and it will only push the DPRK to pursue even riskier policies, because the survival of the regime is at stake,” it wrote.

“Trump threatens DPRK with ‘total destruction’, while China calls for peaceful settlement,” the online English-language edition of the People’s Daily newspaper headlined an op-ed , referring to the county’s official name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Beijing has consistently blamed not just Pyongyang but also Washington for what it sees as its hostile policies toward the regime. It argues that U.S. hostility has helped to pushed North Korea’s rulers into a corner and talk of total destruction only reinforces that narrative.

BEIJING—China rebuked U.S. President Donald Trump Wednesday after he threatened to “ totally destroy ” North Korea if necessary, a warning that may have undermined the chances of peace but also gave Beijing an easy opportunity to seize the moral high ground.

In imposing economic sanctions on Pyongyang, the United Nations Security Council has agreed that the North Korea issue should be solved through “political and diplomatic means,” he said.

More than 80 per cent of North Korea’s foreign trade is with China, while both Beijing and Moscow have been blamed for helping North Korea develop its missile program. Although Trump thanked both countries for agreeing to sanctions at the UN, he also appeared to rebuke one or both of them.

“The Peninsula situation is still in a complex and sensitive state,” he said. “We hope that relevant parties could maintain restraint while completing United Nations Security Council resolutions, and take more correct actions which are helpful in easing the situation.”

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“It is an outrage that some nations would not only trade with such a regime, but would arm, supply, and financially support a country that imperils the world with nuclear conflict,” he said.

But China is uncomfortable with the idea that it should shoulder the lion’s share of the blame for North Korea’s nuclear and missile program, and for Pyongyang’s refusal to back down, experts explain.

“They don’t like the idea that the international community sees this as a China problem,” said Paul Haenle, director of the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center in Beijing. “To a certain extent, this kind of talk at the UN plays right into their hands.”

Yanmei Xie, a China policy analyst at Gavekal Dragonomics in Beijing, made a similar point.

“Trump’s bellicose rhetoric does add urgency to how China views this issue,” she said. “But it also reinforces China’s view that both sides are to blame for the tension.”

China has become extremely frustrated with Pyongyang, but does not believe that sanctions will ever force it to abandon its nuclear program, which the regime sees as central to its survival.

It has resisted pressure to cut off North Korea’s oil imports, which it believes would only serve to alienate the regime from Beijing, and leave China facing an nuclear-armed enemy state on its border.

“They believe that there is nothing we can do at this point to prevent Kim Jong Un from reaching his goal (of developing an intercontinental nuclear missile capability,)” said Haenle. “And they don’t want to cross the threshold where they become North Korea’s enemy.”

So while Trump has convinced China to turn the screw on North Korea, he will struggle to convince it to act more forcefully.

François Godemont, director of the Asia/China Program at the European Council on Foreign Relations said Trump may suffer a “credibility” problem in Chinese eyes by also threatening the governments of Iran, Venezuela and Cuba, rather than showing a resolute focus on a single issue.

But do Trump’s words presage armed conflict?

The nationalist Global Times newspaper took a pessimistic view, arguing in an editorial that Trump’s speech head “reduced hope of peace” on the Korean Peninsula.

“Facts prove Pyongyang won’t yield to pressure. Pushing North Korea to its limit may eventually trigger a bloody war,’ it warned. “If a nuclear war broke out, that would be a crime against Chinese and South Koreans by Pyongyang and Washington.”

However, several other experts said they were not worried.

“China and Russia have a common stance on this — they want to prevent war even if there is only a one per cent chance of it,” said Wang Sheng, a North Korea expert at Jilin University in Changshun. As a result of their joint resolve, he said, “the United States could not easily start a war.”

“What he said is a tactic, it doesn’t mean he will really start a war,” he said. “The U.S. army is concerned about other things, such as China’s rise and Iran. Since the atomic bomb was developed, the United States has never started a war with a nuclear-armed country.”

Last month, the Global Times newspaper warned North Korea that China would not come to the country’s help if it launches missiles threatening U.S. soil, although it would intervene if Washington strikes first.

That statement was meant to deter Pyongyang from crossing any red lines, experts say.

In the event of war, it is unlikely Chinese troops would fight alongside or on behalf of North Korea soldiers to defend the regime, as they did in the 1950-53 Korean War, but they could enter the country to secure nuclear weapons sites, and prevent U.S. troops from crossing into the North and installing a U.S.-friendly puppet government, some experts say.

In Pyongyang, the government will also have taken very clear note of Trump’s angry disavowal of the nuclear deal with Iran, where that country agreed to abandon its nuclear weapons program under international supervision in return for a lifting of sanctions.

Trump called that deal “an embarrassment to the United States” and threatened to pull out of it. Saying “oppressive regimes cannot endure forever,” he also called for the Iranian people to change their own government.

North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un has already seen Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and Iraq’s Saddam Hussein agree to surrender their efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction only to end up ousted from power and killed. Trump’s talk will only reinforce that lesson.

“How can Kim not conclude from this that Americans will not rest until his regime is topple and that giving up nuclear weapons is suicidal?,” asked Xie at Dragonomics.

Kreegs on September 21st, 2017 at 00:32 UTC »

I love this has turned into an either or thing.

China is 100% wrong or Trump is a 100% wrong. If it were only that simple.

China has supported NK for years because it needs NK to act as a buffer against US interests being right on their border. People have told me times have changed and China doesn't need that physical border between East and West. They think they do. This has resulted in them propping up a regime of nutjobs and now the results of their actions are nipping at their heels. If NK attacked someone first, I can guarantee that China has a contingency plan of "Loyal North Korean Patriots" in the military that will leave KJU in a ditch with a hole in his head. They will immediately seize the government and call for a cease-fire and China will support this "new People's government'. Why don't they do it now? because it is not something they want to do. He's useful as a distraction. If the US attacks NK first, then China will defend them and claim they are protecting a sovereign nation. China getting involved will make people think twice about opening that can of worms.

Its a win-win for China. They get to keep their buffer and take the moral high ground no matter the outcome.

Trump is right to be calling their bluff, but he's going about it wrong. KJU is a nut job and all these insults from Trump are just making him bolder. Whenever NK needed food or coal or whatever in the past, they'd launch a couple missles, rattle some sabers and people would make a deal with them. Trump is going "No Fuck You" so they keep doing it knowing that eventually the US will cave and talk to them. But this time, they won't.

So China is now between a rock and a hard place. They are trying to keep KJU from doing anything stupid, but DJT is basically egging him on. This is where the "unhelpful" thing is coming from. It is endangering their whole house of cards in regards to NK. If they can't control the collapse of NK, they have a HUGE refugee crisis on their hands, plus a failed state on their border.

That being said, Russia, China, and Pakistan all need to be held accountable for supplying NK with technology, food, and money.

NK failing is a bad thing for everyone involved. If the US attacks NK, then Seoul is gone. Then depending on how quickly things are demolished it could turn into a long protracted civil war, ie Proxy war between the US and China/Russia.

So there are no good options for dealing with NK that doesn't involve alot of dead people. Was it soemthing that could have been fixed 40-50 years ago? 20 years ago? maybe. Today? 0 options for good ending to this.

autotldr on September 20th, 2017 at 20:02 UTC »

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)

China is uncomfortable with the idea that it should shoulder the lion's share of the blame for North Korea's nuclear and missile program, and for Pyongyang's refusal to back down, experts explain.

So while Trump has convinced China to turn the screw on North Korea, he will struggle to convince it to act more forcefully.

Last month, the Global Times newspaper warned North Korea that China would not come to the country's help if it launches missiles threatening U.S. soil, although it would intervene if Washington strikes first.

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masternarf on September 20th, 2017 at 19:52 UTC »

Says the country that does 90% of the trade with North korea.