The Daily Populous Thursday March 13rd, 2025 evening edition
Authored by cbc.ca and submitted by weekendy09

Canadian and American troops fought together and bled together in the scorched hinterlands of Afghanistan.

And for that reason there is a palpable sense of dismay — even betrayal — among Canadian veterans toward the Trump administration over its threats and treatment of not just Canada, but other allies such as Ukraine.

A meme circulating online — a photo of troops in front of the maple leaf rock monument at Ma'sum Ghar, the Canadian forward operating base in western Kandahar — was recently captioned: "We went because you were attacked. We didn't ask for your thanks. Neither did 158 of us who died for you."

The notion that Canadians fought and died in Afghanistan to help defend the United States — because of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001 — runs deep among Canadian veterans of that war and their families.

They're irked by the threats of President Donald Trump to annex Canada through economic force and the trade war. But it was the bullying of the Ukrainian president in the Oval Office and Vice-President JD Vance's insistence that Volodymyr Zelenskyy show gratitude that set off many veterans.

The anger was perhaps felt more keenly on Wednesday, the 11th anniversary of Canada's military withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Canadian soldiers gather at the base of a rock memorial to fallen Canadian soldiers at a forward operating base in Panjwaii district in Afghanistan. Memorial stones signifying the deaths of 72 soldiers were buried in a sunset ceremony in Ma'sum Ghar, Afghanistan, on Wednesday, June 8, 2011. (Murray Brewster/The Canadian Press)

"I think if 9/11 were to happen again, I honestly don't think I would be as willing — or ready — to help the Americans as I did in 2001," said retired corporal Bruce Moncur, who was gravely wounded when an American ground attack jet accidentally strafed Canadian troops at the start of the milestone 2006 battle known as Operation Medusa.

Down the years Moncur has tried to come to peace with the horrific friendly fire incident that took the life of one Canadian soldier — Trooper Mark Anthony Graham — and wounded 36 others.

But the now outspoken veterans advocate said he can't help but wonder about the country and the people he willingly defended.

Retired corporal Bruce Moncur is seen in Afghanistan in 2006. He says he's not sure he'd be so willing to come to the Americans' aid if they were attacked today like they were on 9/11. (Submitted by Bruce Moncur)

"I just think about the idiocy of it," Moncur said about recent events.

In the latter stages of Canada's war in Kandahar, American troops fought and died under Canadian command. At the National Defence Carling campus headquarters, embedded in the memorial to fallen Canadians are plaques honouring U.S. soldiers who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Retired major-general Denis Thompson had an American battalion under his command in 2008. Twelve U.S. soldiers were killed on that rotation.

Thompson said it's important for angry Canadian veterans to make the distinction between the current administration in Washington and American troops with whom they shared trenches.

"I totally understand that Canadian soldiers feel betrayed, but I can also say that I think there are similar sentiments being expressed across the border. Because we've always been stalwart allies," said Thompson, who said he still keeps in touch with former American soldiers and commanders with whom he served.

"In some cases, they're ashamed. They cannot believe what their president is saying, but you know, they are bound by the oath that they took to obey their commander in chief. I would suggest none of them can accept that Russia is the United States' friend. It just gobsmacks them that he speaks this way."

American and Canadian soldiers pick their way through a grapefield at sunrise on Thursday June 2, 2011, for a joint patrol, in Zangabad, Afghanistan. Veterans say they're dismayed by the treatment of allies like Canada and Ukraine by President Donald Trump. (Murray Brewster/The Canadian Press)

In all of his conversations since Trump's return to the White House in January, Thompson said he never once got the sense that U.S. soldiers shared the sentiment that Canada should become the 51st state in the union.

"It's not about the United States Army or the United States Armed Forces. It's about the president of the United States," Thompson said.

Canadian special forces troops, whom Thompson also commanded, were among the first on the ground in Afghanistan in October 2001 along with their U.S. counterparts in the aftermath of the terror attacks on New York and Washington.

Thompson said the ties between the two militaries run so deep that a U.S. Navy Seal — Senior Chief Petty Officer Thomas Ratzlaff — was awarded in 2010 Canada's second-highest military decoration for bravery while serving alongside Canadians.

Over more than a dozen years in Afghanistan, 158 Canadian soldiers were killed, along with seven civilians. An additional 2,000 troops were wounded.

Retired Canadian Maj.-Gen Denis Thompson, photographed in Kandahar in 2008, says he thinks there are likely U.S. soldiers who are feeling the same way that Canadians are about Trump's treatment of allies. (Murray Brewster/The Canadian Press)

It is one of the reasons Trump's annexation threats are tough for veterans to swallow, even though they know a full-blown invasion is unlikely.

"I don't think it's a possibility, militarily," said Thompson. "He can certainly make an attempt to tank our economy. And I'm not an economist, but I would suggest that Canadians will take an awful lot of pain before they acquiesce to his demands."

He said he also doesn't believe that Trump has the support of the American public for his annexation agenda — beyond talking heads in the right-wing punditry.

The risk of civil disobedience in the U.S. is increasing, said Thompson.

"I think the United States will have internal problems long before they start turning their attention, before he can start to turn his attention towards actually annexing Canada," he said.

NorthStarZero on March 13rd, 2025 at 13:32 UTC »

Fucking right we do.

You invoked Article 5. We answered.

You killed us though negligence, and we stuck around.

I personally tried to stop an American patrol from running over a suspected IED site - if you ever noticed the Blue Force Tracker in the TOC at CNS, that was there because of me.

And now you threaten to annex my country.

How the fuck else should I feel?

Vulcan_Fox_2834 on March 13rd, 2025 at 12:56 UTC »

I'm really afraid to be living in a world where former allies are now gearing up and begin arming themselves in preparation for war...

ALL BECAUSE OF TRUMP. I know it's wrong to think about, but if that attempted assassination didn't fail, would we be better off?

EDIT: Yall are starting to get riled up. IM NOT SAYING TO KILL HIM. Just imagining it. I don't want to be linked to it if someone shoots him... a redditor who started a mob.

_Echoes_ on March 13rd, 2025 at 12:52 UTC »

That's the reward for helping the USA in Trump's America.

PTSD, and a knife in the back.