Trump's return may force Europe's hand on China and Ukraine

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Shifting tectonic plates are triggering tremors of uncertainty from Beijing to Brussels as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office, and the effects could see U.S. priorities diverge from those of its closest European allies in ways unseen in decades.

The incoming administration is likely to pressure European leaders to take a harder line on China, which it sees as America’s main enemy, but their countries are economically intertwined with both powers and their interests don’t always align with Washington’s, several European officials and diplomats told NBC News. Were Trump to follow through on his vow to impose tariffs on imports on Europe as well as from China, they would likely deviate further.

There is also uncertainty across the continent about what the new White House will mean for the war in Ukraine. Trump has repeatedly said he could end the conflict in one day, and despite Russia’s claims to the contrary, that boast has prompted fears he will push for massive concessions that favor Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“The impact of Trump is panic,” one European Union official told NBC News on Sunday. “They are going to have to make a decision and take a stand.”

Several European leaders criticized German Chancellor Olaf Scholz after he called Putin to try and persuade him to negotiate last week, becoming the first sitting leader of a major Western country to speak with him since late 2022.

President-elect Donald Trump addressing supporters on the night of his election triumph. Sydney Walsh for NBC News

Among them is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who said it was “exactly what Putin has long wanted” as he tries to ease his international isolation.

“Europe is freaked out by all this,” the E.U. official added. “People had been saying privately, ‘We’ll see what we do about Ukraine, we’ll see what we do about China.’ But now the world is upside down and they don’t yet know what to do.”

There are signs that European countries may decide the answer is to move closer to China, potentially opening a rift with the U.S.

During his first administration, Trump was hyperfocused on China, and since then he has maintained his hard-line stance against the country, which both the U.S. and Europe view as an economic competitor and systemic rival, even as they count it among their biggest trading partners.

Days before the U.S. presidential election, Trump’s choice for national security adviser, Rep. Mike Waltz, R-Fla., wrote in The Economist that the next president should quickly end the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East and “finally focus strategic attention where it should be: countering the greater threat from the Chinese Communist Party.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin with Xi in Kazan, Russia, last month. Sergey Bobylev / Photohost / Anadolu via Getty Images

Relations between Europe and China have deteriorated in recent years over trade, human rights, Chinese aggression in the South China Sea and the status of Taiwan, the self-governing island that Beijing claims as its territory.

They soured further after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, with some European leaders suggesting Beijing should lean harder on Moscow to end the conflict.

Still, four European diplomats and officials from key Western capitals, who asked not to be named to be able to speak freely, said their countries are not seeking full-on confrontation with China.

“We don’t want to be dragged into the foreign policy toward China which the new American administration will be engaged in,” said one of the senior European officials. “America is our friend and ally. But we have our own foreign policy and our own economic position toward China.”

At the Group of 20 summit meeting in Rio de Janeiro on Monday, Keir Starmer became the first British prime minister since 2018 to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping in person.

Starmer called for “consistent, durable” ties between the two countries, while Xi said they have “vast potential for cooperation.” Though Starmer told reporters he had had a “frank” discussion with Xi about issues where China and Britain disagree, he was criticized by British lawmakers for not publicly condemning the prison sentences handed down this week to 45 pro-democracy figures in the Chinese territory of Hong Kong, as well as the ongoing trial of pro-democracy media tycoon Jimmy Lai, a British national.

Xi also discussed the war in Ukraine as well as E.U. tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles in meetings with Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron on the sidelines of the G20 summit.

British Foreign Minister David Lammy with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, in Beijing last month. Liu Bin / Xinhua News Agency via Getty Images

In some ways, a second Trump term might be “good news” for Europe, because unlike President Joe Biden, he “wouldn’t care that much” about rallying U.S. allies against China, said Wu Xinbo, director of the Center for American Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai.

“That will give Europeans more leeway in managing their relations with China,” Wu said Monday at an event hosted by the University of Hong Kong’s Centre on Contemporary China and the World.

He also noted that a series of European leaders and other political figures have already been visiting Beijing in recent months in an effort to strengthen ties.

Chinese officials have also suggested that this could be an opportunity for improved relations with Europe.

“China supports Europe in playing a greater role in international affairs, but does not wish to see it pick a side and provoke bloc confrontation,” Cao Lei, the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s deputy head in charge of European affairs, was quoted as saying by the South China Morning Post this month.

For many Europeans, it is Moscow, not Beijing, that poses an immediate threat. In their view, China could help to pressure Russia over Ukraine as Xi loses patience with a war he did not expect would drag on for almost three years.

One senior European diplomat said that while China has never explicitly condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, it has helped in other ways to rein in Moscow.

“They have been firm with Russia about not using nuclear weapons with Ukraine,” the diplomat said.

China is also concerned about the growing security ties between Russia and North Korea after the two countries signed a comprehensive strategic partnership in June, the diplomat added.

The U.S. and others say that the secretive communist state’s leader, Kim Jong Un, has sent thousands of troops to fight for Russia in Ukraine in exchange for technical assistance with his nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

“China doesn’t want a more capable North Korean military,” the diplomat said. “So I would expect this to be one of those issues that we could talk to the Chinese about seriously.”

Another European diplomat said Moscow will be the wild card in international efforts to end the Ukraine war.

“You can see the need for it from the Ukrainians, you can see the Europeans saying we aren’t going to finance this huge and endless fight,” they said. “It’s trickier to understand what’s in it for Putin.”

Though Moscow has signaled that it is open to talks, Russia’s upper hand on the battlefield may convince Putin that he can achieve more from fighting than settling. But the cost is wearing on European governments, which have provided Ukraine with tens of billions of dollars in military and other assistance.

“The pay, pay, pay strategy wasn’t working,” the E.U. official said. “Europe now just wants to stop the war.”

But it is also desperate to avoid any whiff of surrender.

“The E.U. continues to say that Ukraine will negotiate when Ukraine wants to negotiate,” another European official said, “and that the E.U. will stand by Ukraine to the end.”

Keir Simmons reported from Dubai and Jennifer Jett from Hong Kong.

garbagemanlb on November 22nd, 2024 at 13:48 UTC »

What this election has done has accelerated the timeline of America receding from the world stage as a superpower. Of course we will always be a regional/hegemonic power but Trump and his isolationist economic and military policies will greatly benefit China and Russia by reducing American influence abroad.

Pretty ironic with the 'America first' slogan..

CreeperCooper on November 22nd, 2024 at 13:19 UTC »

I was thinking about this after the election of Trump, too. I wasn't able to see a EU-China 'alliance' a few months back, but with the election of Trump it all seems kinda possible? I wouldn't be able to vote on a party that would support a foreign policy of the EU moving closer to China before Trump. Now, I'm not sure.

Ukraine is of massive importance to the EU, Trump is planning on materializing the worst-case scenario for the EU by forcing Ukraine to give land to Russia and keeping them out of future defensive securities. Russia is the EU's priority rival. Trump wants to start a trade war with the EU and force a rift between the EU and the UK. Trump wants to support Israel to the max, which will thus continue to destabilize the Middle East. On top of that, Trump's threat about not defending NATO countries has had deep impact in the European powers. Sure, European powers are now spending more cash on defenses, they also don't trust Trump anymore. And oh yeah, also, Trump wants the EU to take a hard stance against China because that benefits the US.

So... if Trump wants to do all those things that hurt the EU... why not get closer to China? If the EU gets closer to China, they might choose us over Russia and the EU could weaken the Russians in that way. If the EU gets closer to China, they might be able to fill up the trade problems the US will create the next 4 years with Trump. Trump has already implied that he wouldn't want to defend NATO countries, and now that he is going to drop Ukraine it's not just a threat that Trump is dangerous for European geopolitical interestsm. It's already reality. So it's not like Trump/the US has the leverage of 'do what we say or we won't protect you anymore' because they've already started doing that.

I still hate China, but it does seem like they're becoming the more realistic and practical partner than the US. Defeating the Russians would be in the interests of the US, too, yet they seem willing to cut off both your noses to spite their own face. How can the EU work with the US, when the US is hellbend on screwing us and themselves?

I'm not friends with a suicide bomber for a reason. Risky business, and it ain't worth it..

nbcnews on November 22nd, 2024 at 12:21 UTC »

Shifting tectonic plates are triggering tremors of uncertainty from Beijing to Brussels as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office, and the effects could see U.S. priorities diverge from those of its closest European allies in ways unseen in decades.

The incoming administration is likely to pressure European leaders to take a harder line on China, which it sees as America’s main enemy, but their countries are economically intertwined with both powers and their interests don’t always align with Washington’s, several European officials and diplomats told NBC News. Were Trump to follow through on his vow to impose tariffs on imports on Europe as well as from China, they would likely deviate further.