Ohio, East Palestine right now

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Viper_JB on February 13rd, 2023 at 15:44 UTC »

I would have thought anyone working in the area should be in full hazmat suit...

OptimusSublime on February 13rd, 2023 at 15:48 UTC »

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wuirkytee on February 13rd, 2023 at 16:10 UTC »

Environmental Engineer here:

US epa is in charge of Air testing . Ohio epa will be in charge of remediation and site monitoring (surface and ground water, and soil) Norfolk is in charge of the initial clean up and site response. They have 30 days to submit their manifesto. manifesto number 5800.1.

It is important that they cannot control the narrative. They are overseeing themselves.

The only govt oversight Norfolk answers to is the department of transportation, despite transportation of hazardous materials (they lobbied heavily to get rid of any notion of safety laws)

Please email [email protected] to get more information and get federal oversight. They have jurisdiction to investigate Norfolk at their HQ to see what training documents the operator had, any Emergency response plan they had on hand, and any Spill Pollution Prevention Plans.

Edit: the 5800.1 is the US EPA incident number. After Norfolk submits the manifesto, there will be Their side of events leading to the crash.

Vinyl chloride reacts with water and water vapor to create secondary compounds. Next concern is what precipitation will look like.

Two tributaries to the Ohio river have tested positive for hazardous chemicals and according to locals’ social media and calls to news stations, all the fish and frogs are dead. The Ohio river affects so many other states for their source drinking water.

The US EPA can only respond and issue essentially a mandatory clean up to Norfolk. It is unclear whether or not they would get a fine since technically the railroads only answer to the US DOT. If the US EPA, or Ohio EPA finds them liable/negligent there may be a fine. But again, Norfolk is submitting their own report to the agency supposedly fining them. Someone linked below that the Virginia fined Norfolk for $25K for a spill, so it has been done.

You can email [email protected] for a foia request if you feel inclined.

Norfolk has still not come clean as to what other chemicals were involved in the crash. The US EPA has issued a letter saying there were more hazardous chemicals in other tankards.

Edit 2: SDS of monomer vinyl chloride: https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf and epa doc: https://semspub.epa.gov/work/05/437069.pdf

EPA site notes: https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933

Edit 3: here is a story outlining how Norfolk and other railroad companies lobbied to skirt safety:

https://truthout.org/articles/ohio-train-derailment-reveals-danger-of-plastics-boom-and-corporate-cost-cutting/

Edit 4: https://www.alleghenyfront.org/epa-lists-additional-chemicals-released-in-east-palestine-train-derailment/

Local reporter Julie Grant update. NS released a remediation plan which included ground water testing (East Palestine drinking water source is GW). US EPA has sent an official letter to NS. There is a redacted letter in edit 2, as well additional chemicals that have been released.