Forget the Senate, charge Donald Trump with insurrection in criminal court

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Forget the Senate, charge Donald Trump with insurrection in criminal court Opinion: The Founding Fathers presumed, foolishly, that the elected official who followed them would have the same set of morals. But they made us a nation of laws. All we need do it apply them.

A majority of the U.S. Senate, including seven Republicans, found Donald Trump guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors by inciting violence against the government of the United States.”

But the total of 57 votes didn’t meet the two-thirds, or 67, votes needed to convict Trump in a political impeachment trial, a trial whose outcome was known before it started.

In that sense, the Founding Fathers screwed up.

They were idealistic individuals with a very real sense of honor and they presumed, foolishly, that those who followed them would have the same sense of integrity, the same set of morals.

They were in many ways practical men but in this respect their Pollyanna perspective has been a complete failure.

Even knowing that the only “punishment” that might have befallen the former president is the inability to again run for office, the majority of the weak-kneed Republicans in the senate – fearing for their own political futures – voted to acquit.

Because one of the things that the Founding Fathers got absolutely right was the idea that we are a nation of laws.

And, as schoolchildren, we’re taught that no one is above the law.

'Assists' or 'gives aid or comfort'

If that is so, then Donald Trump should be charged with the exact same crime covered in the impeachment, only in criminal court.

It’s there under the U.S. Criminal Code Title 18 Section 2383.

The law is simple and straightforward. It reads:

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell, who enabled Trump for four years, then delayed the impeachment trial until after Trump left office, then said Trump couldn’t be punished because he was out of office, condemned Trump in a speech Saturday, saying, “There's no question — none — that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things."

If that is so, if Trump is “practically and morally responsible,” as McConnell says, then that is more than enough to meet the standard of the law, which establishes guilt when the accused “incites, sets on foot, assists” an insurrection “or gives aid or comfort thereto.”

If we're a nation of laws, enforce them

A guilty verdict in criminal court also eliminates a person’s ability to run for office, but might also include fines and prison time.

Knowing that individuals have weaknesses, political and personal, the Founding Fathers wisely established the United States as a nation of laws.

If that is true, Trump should be charged in criminal court.

But where the Founders slipped up, again, apparently, was in their belief that Americans in the future would have the backbone to actually enforce our laws.

Uranus_Hz on February 14th, 2021 at 11:12 UTC »

US Constitution, Amendment 14, section 3:

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Title 18 ss 2383:

Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Title 18 ss 2384:

Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

mces97 on February 14th, 2021 at 10:24 UTC »

And get Kevin Mccarthy under oath. Get him to tell the investigators did Trump dismiss calling for help. Because that shows his state of mind. And if the story going around is true Trump enjoyed the riot, which leads one to conclude he didn't care if he incited one but was ultimately a goal.

MostManufacturer7 on February 14th, 2021 at 10:14 UTC »

Dear Impeachment managers, please transfer the files and the evidence that you compiled to the relevant prosecutors.

Dear prosecutors, give Trump White House aides witness protection and put them on the stand. Lying in front of the senate and using political rhetoric is a different matter from lying in a court. GOP leaders are afraid of their own mob, with all the protections they have, the aides must be terrified to open up.